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Post by carlhenrybrans on Jun 25, 2015 14:10:04 GMT -6
The other day I was able to talk to one of my Turkish friends here and we were talking about the bible. He then asked me a question about Noah and Ham from Genesis 9. His thought is that Ham raped his father while he was drunk and this is why Noah cursed Ham's son the way that he did. Now I have always understood it to be that because Ham reacted in a way that was inappropriate, scoffing, joking, etc. And to stumble upon his father's nakedness was a shameful thing. I would love to hear your thoughts. Thanks.
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Post by CowboysDad on Jun 25, 2015 22:27:10 GMT -6
Your friend's view is not uncommon; however, the text does not say that Ham raped his father. That would be an inference. What it does say is that Ham "saw the nakedness of his father" (v. 22), which is contrasted to the brothers who "did not see their father's nakedness" (v. 23). Yes, Ham did something to his dad (v. 24), but the Hebrew word for "did" or "had done" here is very general, much like our English word "did." It doesn't imply anything sexual. It leaves the specifics unaddressed. We have to look elsewhere in the context for any clues. I also looked at the Hebrew in v. 21. The word "uncovered" is what's called a hithpael stem. It's a very complicated stem in Hebrew with various possible translations, but the simplest translation value is that of a reflexive action, meaning something that one does to himself or specifically here something that Noah did to himself. It would be very fair to translate v. 21, "And he drank from the wine and became drunk and uncovered himself in the midst of his tent." This translation suggests that Noah, not Ham, uncovered himself. In other words, Noah got drunk and unintentionally exposed himself while drunk. Ham saw it and did or perhaps failed to do something as suggested by the fact that the brothers "covered the nakedness of their father" (v. 23). It is an inference to argue that Ham raped his father and one that does not seem to be warranted by the text.
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Post by brianwagner on Jun 30, 2015 11:48:15 GMT -6
Hi Carl, I tell the students I teach that difficult passages in Scripture need to somehow fit into the overall original purpose of the book. Why did Moses (and the HS) choose to add this story from Noah's life to the book of Genesis. I would like to suggest it has less to do with Noah's and Ham's failure (though the example of how forefathers have failed does help produce a more healthy patriotism)than it does to remind Israel of Canaan's curse. Israel is about to begin their conquest of Canaan, and in their covenant documents from God (including Genesis), He reminds them that the "giants" they are about to defeat are already scheduled for defeat! I hope this helps.
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